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文章Happy Jan » 週一 3月 20, 2006 8:02 pm

euphorian 寫: I would choose to point out his or her mistakes in private. Mainly, because this is a potentially delicate and sensitive situation.


Discussing on this forum is more beneficial for all of us, because this forum is a brainstorming platform for English learning.
In this public forum, it's not a good phenomenon to discuss English questions privately. Once we just discuss questions related to English, it has nothing to do with the so-called delicate or sensitive situations. Even the opposite oppinions are kind of critical, it's also good for our English learing.
If everyone gets used to discuss privately, it's not a good phenomenon for the forum as well.
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文章Glotynn » 週五 3月 31, 2006 11:38 am

How about:

Red mixed with yellow makes orange.
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Re: my opinion about language

文章Glotynn » 週五 3月 31, 2006 11:54 am

Tina19760820 寫:
3) <<Because I had been in a learning environment for 4 years which no one likes to tell others who do wrong. >> 這句(1) 改成Because I have been in 要用現在完成式 而非過去完成式 (2) which 要改成in which

What if I want to say things which happened in the PAST ?


I was in a learning environment in which no one liked to tell others who did wrong.

(1) <<After all, it is always nice to have someone stands up and tell me what I did WRONG ! >>
請改成 to have someone standing and telling me....


ohh.. 洋. . I m so cunfused, why it should be standing/telling in this sentence?


have + someone + V (infinitive without to) or Ving
After all, it is always nice to have someone stand up and tell me what I did was WRONG !
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Re: my opinion about language

文章Wayne » 週五 3月 31, 2006 1:46 pm

Glotynn 寫:
Tina19760820 寫:
3) <<Because I had been in a learning environment for 4 years which no one likes to tell others who do wrong. >> 這句(1) 改成Because I have been in 要用現在完成式 而非過去完成式 (2) which 要改成in which

What if I want to say things which happened in the PAST ?


I was in a learning environment in which no one liked to tell others who did wrong.

(1) <<After all, it is always nice to have someone stands up and tell me what I did WRONG ! >>
請改成 to have someone standing and telling me....


ohh.. 洋. . I m so cunfused, why it should be standing/telling in this sentence?


have + someone + V (infinitive without to) or Ving
After all, it is always nice to have someone stand up and tell me what I did was WRONG !


You cannot use this pattern {have + someone + V (infinitive without to) }. This usage is called in grammar "causative". It's used when you make someone start doing something or when you are to persuade or order someone to do something.
Therefore, I would say "After all, it is always nice to have someone standing up and telling me..."

By the way, I would say "telling me when I make a mistake".
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文章euphorian » 週六 4月 01, 2006 1:38 pm

Happy 寫:
euphorian 寫: I would choose to point out his or her mistakes in private. Mainly, because this is a potentially delicate and sensitive situation.


Discussing on this forum is more beneficial for all of us, because this forum is a brainstorming platform for English learning.
In this public forum, it's not a good phenomenon to discuss English questions privately. Once we just discuss questions related to English, it has nothing to do with the so-called delicate or sensitive situations. Even the opposite oppinions are kind of critical, it's also good for our English learing.
If everyone gets used to discuss privately, it's not a good phenomenon for the forum as well.


I have learned to realize that this forum's level of participations and feedbacks will always leave something to be desired. Increasingly, I am afraid that the proverb "No good deed goes unpunished" may ring true in this case.
In the name of forum tranquillity, feel free to delete any of my post, sooner the better.
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Re: my opinion about language

文章Glotynn » 週六 4月 01, 2006 6:07 pm

Wayne 寫:
You cannot use this pattern {have + someone + V (infinitive without to) }. This usage is called in grammar "causative". It's used when you make someone start doing something or when you are to persuade or order someone to do something.
Therefore, I would say "After all, it is always nice to have someone standing up and telling me..."

By the way, I would say "telling me when I make a mistake".


Wayne, you're right. Thanks for pointing out.

However, to avoid ambiguity I would use "see" or "observe" instead of "have":
- After all, it is always nice to see someone standing up and telling me...
- After all, it is always nice to see someone stand up and tell me...
- After all, it is always nice to observe someone standing up and telling me...
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文章Wayne » 週六 4月 01, 2006 10:19 pm

Glotynn 寫:However, to avoid ambiguity I would use "see" or "observe" instead of "have":
- After all, it is always nice to see someone standing up and telling me...
- After all, it is always nice to see someone stand up and tell me...
- After all, it is always nice to observe someone standing up and telling me...


For the second example, I have a doubt. The verb "see" here may probably not be a perception verb, and thus we do not use infinitive-without-to. It kind of means to find out something. Instead, I would say "to have someone who stands up [steps forward] and tells me..."

As for the third one, I don't think "observe" is appropriate; "observe" means to see and NOTICE something. Another meaning of "observe" is to watch CAREFULLY, which does not apply either.
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文章Glotynn » 週六 4月 01, 2006 11:50 pm

After all, it is always nice to see someone standing up and telling me...
After all, it is always nice to see someone stand up and tell me...


"see" in the both sentences is definitely a perception verb, therefore using either VR or Ving is ok.

After all, it is always nice to observe someone standing up and telling me...

"observe" is not a perception verb but an ordinary one, so only Ving is used here.
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Re: my opinion about language

文章Lucia Kuo » 週日 4月 02, 2006 12:16 am

euphorian 寫:
Happy 寫:
euphorian 寫: I would choose to point out his or her mistakes in private. Mainly, because this is a potentially delicate and sensitive situation.


Discussing on this forum is more beneficial for all of us, because this forum is a brainstorming platform for English learning.
In this public forum, it's not a good phenomenon to discuss English questions privately. Once we just discuss questions related to English, it has nothing to do with the so-called delicate or sensitive situations. Even the opposite oppinions are kind of critical, it's also good for our English learing.
If everyone gets used to discuss privately, it's not a good phenomenon for the forum as well.


I have learned to realize that this forum's level of participations and feedbacks will always leave something to be desired. Increasingly, I am afraid that the proverb "No good deed goes unpunished" may ring true in this case.


What does "No good deed goes unpunished" mean? :roll:
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Re: my opinion about language

文章euphorian » 週日 4月 02, 2006 12:54 am

Lucia Kuo 寫:What does "No good deed goes unpunished" mean? :roll:


No good deed goes unpunished. Life is so unfair that one is more likely to get into some sort of trouble than be rewarded if one attempts to do a good deed.
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文章Lucia Kuo » 週日 4月 02, 2006 11:44 pm

Does that mean "好心沒好報" ? Right ? :roll:
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文章umpd99 » 週一 4月 03, 2006 6:33 am

euphorian 寫:I have learned to realize that this forum's level of participations and feedbacks will always leave something to be desired. Increasingly, I am afraid that the proverb "No good deed goes unpunished" may ring true in this case.



Dear euphorian,
although it might be true that "Every good deed brings its own punishment," I'd like to believe "One good turn deserves another." :wink:
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文章euphorian » 週一 4月 03, 2006 12:23 pm

umpd99 寫:
Dear euphorian,
although it might be true that "Every good deed brings its own punishment," I'd like to believe "One good turn deserves another." :wink:


Here are a few reaons why correcting other's mistake isn't as fun as you might think.

1. To point out other's mistake, one may very well exposes their own.
2. Sometimes a mistakes is not a mistake but a matter of style or personal word choices.
3. People usually hold on to their opinions rather tightly.
4. It is not polite to have to say that you are wrong and I am right.
5. Clash of ego often leads to the end of friendships.
6. In this forum, I am overwhelmed by too many wordings that just sound just kinda fishy, and most of the time I don't know why exactly. I can go ahead and "correct it" according to what I know, but if you want the reasons beyond my correction, I just do not have a good answer for you.
In the name of forum tranquillity, feel free to delete any of my post, sooner the better.
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文章Glotynn » 週一 4月 03, 2006 2:43 pm

euphorian 寫:
umpd99 寫:
Dear euphorian,
although it might be true that "Every good deed brings its own punishment," I'd like to believe "One good turn deserves another." :wink:


Here are a few reaons why correcting other's mistake isn't as fun as you might think.

1. To point out other's mistake, one may very well exposes their own.
2. Sometimes a mistakes is not a mistake but a matter of style or personal word choices.
3. People usually hold on to their opinions rather tightly.
4. It is not polite to have to say that you are wrong and I am right.
5. Clash of ego often leads to the end of friendships.
6. In this forum, I am overwhelmed by too many wordings that just sound just kinda fishy, and most of the time I don't know why exactly. I can go ahead and "correct it" according to what I know, but if you want the reasons beyond my correction, I just do not have a good answer for you.



Euphorian, what you said are very right in other forums where people are discussing other particular topics such as life, science, politics, etc., where language is but a media. But this forum is about language learning itself and the learners do not mind being corrected on their errors/mistakes; actually, they welcome it. On the other hand, the answerers need to be more cautious not to commit unnecessary errors in their answers which may convey wrong guidance to the learners.

Just my two cents.
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文章euphorian » 週一 4月 03, 2006 3:25 pm

Personally, I believe in the holistic way of grammatic error-minimization and eventual elimination. It is very time consuming but requires a lot less effort. It may not work for everybody here.
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